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		By: Energy Review		</title>
		<link>https://www.keyframe5.com/door-to-door-water-heater-sale-is-back-in-the-news-again/#comment-11091</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 23:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.keyframe5.com/door-to-door-water-heater-sale-is-back-in-the-news-again/#comment-11089&quot;&gt;tl&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah that&#039;s nice and? 
 
Keep writing in CAPS, people will listen to you. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.keyframe5.com/door-to-door-water-heater-sale-is-back-in-the-news-again/#comment-11089">tl</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah that&#039;s nice and? </p>
<p>Keep writing in CAPS, people will listen to you. </p>
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		By: tl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 21:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[cHECK THIS OUT FELLOW CANADIANS !! Scroll down to &#034;water tanks&#034; the truth is revealed about RELIANCE (especially for those who dont believe the truth when its first told) SOLID PROOF THAT RELIANCE IS AN AMERICAN CO. NOW SINCE 2007!!!......YET THEY CONSTANTLY DENY IT ! WHY LIE TO ALL THEIR  CUSTOMERS ABOUT  WHO BOUGHT THEM OUT??!!  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alinda.com/active_investments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.alinda.com/active_investments&lt;/a&gt;  
 
AND!!!! THEY ARE STILL ASSOCIATED WITH THE UNION GAS.... therefore  they  make  MORE  $$$ BY NOT GIVING U A MORE  EFFICIENT TANK/FURNACE OR A/C !! AND NOT  DOING REG. MAINTENANCE  WAKE UP CANADA!!! RELIANCE IS  SCAMMING  YOU!!!!....WHY  BE  SO LOYAL TO A CO. THATS  JUST SENDING  U  A BILL EVERY 3  MONTHS IN ADVANCE??!! AND INCREASING IT W/ NO  JUSTIFICATION FOR IT??? IF YOU ARE GOIN TO CONTINUE RENTING IT  AT LEAST MAKE THEM  GIVE U A NEW ENERGY STAR RATED TANK!!/FURNACE/AC  
STAND UP AND THINK  FOR  YOURSELVES INSTEAD OF  ALL THIS NEGATIVE HYPE AGAINST A  COMPANY WHO&#039;S AT LEAST  TRYING TO GIVE U  BETTER SERVICE!!! BOTTOM LINE! ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cHECK THIS OUT FELLOW CANADIANS !! Scroll down to &quot;water tanks&quot; the truth is revealed about RELIANCE (especially for those who dont believe the truth when its first told) SOLID PROOF THAT RELIANCE IS AN AMERICAN CO. NOW SINCE 2007!!!&#8230;&#8230;YET THEY CONSTANTLY DENY IT ! WHY LIE TO ALL THEIR  CUSTOMERS ABOUT  WHO BOUGHT THEM OUT??!!<br />
  <a href="http://www.alinda.com/active_investments" rel="nofollow">http://www.alinda.com/active_investments</a>  </p>
<p>AND!!!! THEY ARE STILL ASSOCIATED WITH THE UNION GAS&#8230;. therefore  they  make  MORE  $$$ BY NOT GIVING U A MORE  EFFICIENT TANK/FURNACE OR A/C !! AND NOT  DOING REG. MAINTENANCE  WAKE UP CANADA!!! RELIANCE IS  SCAMMING  YOU!!!!&#8230;.WHY  BE  SO LOYAL TO A CO. THATS  JUST SENDING  U  A BILL EVERY 3  MONTHS IN ADVANCE??!! AND INCREASING IT W/ NO  JUSTIFICATION FOR IT??? IF YOU ARE GOIN TO CONTINUE RENTING IT  AT LEAST MAKE THEM  GIVE U A NEW ENERGY STAR RATED TANK!!/FURNACE/AC </p>
<p>STAND UP AND THINK  FOR  YOURSELVES INSTEAD OF  ALL THIS NEGATIVE HYPE AGAINST A  COMPANY WHO&#039;S AT LEAST  TRYING TO GIVE U  BETTER SERVICE!!! BOTTOM LINE! </p>
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		By: Energy Review		</title>
		<link>https://www.keyframe5.com/door-to-door-water-heater-sale-is-back-in-the-news-again/#comment-10873</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Energy Review]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.keyframe5.com/door-to-door-water-heater-sale-is-back-in-the-news-again/#comment-10872&quot;&gt;TL&lt;/a&gt;.

What I do during my spare time is none of your business.  
 
That&#039;s right its 2011 and it&#039;s time to move on. I moved on but the website and information will be here forever. 
 
The government (OEB) won&#039;t solve all of this door-to-door problem, its people informing other people about companies using deceptive door-to-door sale. 
 
And why do I need to have any credentials? I need to have a phd to talk about my experience with some door-to-door sale? ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.keyframe5.com/door-to-door-water-heater-sale-is-back-in-the-news-again/#comment-10872">TL</a>.</p>
<p>What I do during my spare time is none of your business.  </p>
<p>That&#039;s right its 2011 and it&#039;s time to move on. I moved on but the website and information will be here forever. </p>
<p>The government (OEB) won&#039;t solve all of this door-to-door problem, its people informing other people about companies using deceptive door-to-door sale. </p>
<p>And why do I need to have any credentials? I need to have a phd to talk about my experience with some door-to-door sale? </p>
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		By: TL		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[REALLY  K5??? R  U  FOR  REAL??!! I hope  u dont screw  something  up ...but  then again  you probably dont  even work ...since u seem to have  soo much time   in your  smear campaign here  ...... I&#039;d realLy like  to know what  YOUR   CREDENTIALS ARE ??  You  and  some of  your  commentators  tried to twist  some of  what ive said already.... you  should  really review  what i  have  submitted and  how   you  responded to it. Then  you&#039;ll see  where i am  comin  from as  a new NHS  CUSTOMER. I and  my referrals  HAD  NO  PROBLEMS with them  whatsoever  THIS  IS  2011 PEOPLE  GET OVER   YOUR  POROBS AND  MOVE ON  LIKE  COMPANIES  DO !! LEARN FROM YOUR  MISTAKES AND  MOVE  ON!!! DUH!!! ( AND   yes all this  blathering  and complaining  showing  up in  my email box is  really annoying me  now) enuff is   enuff!! ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REALLY  K5??? R  U  FOR  REAL??!! I hope  u dont screw  something  up &#8230;but  then again  you probably dont  even work &#8230;since u seem to have  soo much time   in your  smear campaign here  &#8230;&#8230; I&#039;d realLy like  to know what  YOUR   CREDENTIALS ARE ??  You  and  some of  your  commentators  tried to twist  some of  what ive said already&#8230;. you  should  really review  what i  have  submitted and  how   you  responded to it. Then  you&#039;ll see  where i am  comin  from as  a new NHS  CUSTOMER. I and  my referrals  HAD  NO  PROBLEMS with them  whatsoever  THIS  IS  2011 PEOPLE  GET OVER   YOUR  POROBS AND  MOVE ON  LIKE  COMPANIES  DO !! LEARN FROM YOUR  MISTAKES AND  MOVE  ON!!! DUH!!! ( AND   yes all this  blathering  and complaining  showing  up in  my email box is  really annoying me  now) enuff is   enuff!! </p>
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		By: Energy Review		</title>
		<link>https://www.keyframe5.com/door-to-door-water-heater-sale-is-back-in-the-news-again/#comment-10871</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Energy Review]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.keyframe5.com/door-to-door-water-heater-sale-is-back-in-the-news-again/#comment-10870&quot;&gt;TL&lt;/a&gt;.

lol please... 
 
&#034;a few bad apples&#034; &#034;not authorize by the company&#034; &#034;taking corrective action&#034; 
 
Tell me something I don&#039;t know. 
 
Same ol&#039; story. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.keyframe5.com/door-to-door-water-heater-sale-is-back-in-the-news-again/#comment-10870">TL</a>.</p>
<p>lol please&#8230; </p>
<p>&quot;a few bad apples&quot; &quot;not authorize by the company&quot; &quot;taking corrective action&quot; </p>
<p>Tell me something I don&#039;t know. </p>
<p>Same ol&#039; story. </p>
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		By: TL		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#034;The offending agents were terminated by OES prior to the Board&#039;s investigation&#034;.......ANOTHER UPDATE  SINCE  ALL THE  BAD  Business OF THE PAST  WENT  DOWN. You  cant  hold this against a company JUST BECAUSE OF A  FEW  BAD APPLES .... I mean really??!! Especially since they  took corrective action after  investigations ........ Who and what company  DOESNT EVER MAKE  MISTAKES ? ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;The offending agents were terminated by OES prior to the Board&#039;s investigation&quot;&#8230;&#8230;.ANOTHER UPDATE  SINCE  ALL THE  BAD  Business OF THE PAST  WENT  DOWN. You  cant  hold this against a company JUST BECAUSE OF A  FEW  BAD APPLES &#8230;. I mean really??!! Especially since they  took corrective action after  investigations &#8230;&#8230;.. Who and what company  DOESNT EVER MAKE  MISTAKES ? </p>
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		By: TL		</title>
		<link>https://www.keyframe5.com/door-to-door-water-heater-sale-is-back-in-the-news-again/#comment-10869</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Director of Licensing for the Board acknowledged that the marketers have made &#034;significant efforts,&#034; including weeding out the bad agents, cancelling the forged contracts, reimbursing customers for losses and contacting other customers signed by the agents. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Director of Licensing for the Board acknowledged that the marketers have made &quot;significant efforts,&quot; including weeding out the bad agents, cancelling the forged contracts, reimbursing customers for losses and contacting other customers signed by the agents. </p>
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		By: justburned		</title>
		<link>https://www.keyframe5.com/door-to-door-water-heater-sale-is-back-in-the-news-again/#comment-10658</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justburned]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 15:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh you bet i a logged a complaint about Just Energy with the OEB. You&#039;re right we all have to speak up about JE&#039;s tactics and what there all about. 
I really believe the measures/actions they took, speaks volumes. Of course NHS doesnt see it that way, apparently its great customer service when they install water heaters the next day and they reaffirm the same day. If there so legit, for a truly 10 day cooling off period, they should wait to install after that period. Apparently if they install and people want to cancel within the 10 days and the water heater is then removed it is &#034;the cost of doing business&#034; as per NHS, whatta load of crap that is. 
 
We&#039;ll see what transpires with mediation between The Ministry of Consumer Services and NHS.I have definitely logged an e-complaint with the Ministry. 
 
Yes...i&#039;ve read her articles and im hoping the information i&#039;ve read in her articles can help me out. I may take you&#039;re advice and contact her and see if she has some advice. 
thanks ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh you bet i a logged a complaint about Just Energy with the OEB. You&#039;re right we all have to speak up about JE&#039;s tactics and what there all about.</p>
<p>I really believe the measures/actions they took, speaks volumes. Of course NHS doesnt see it that way, apparently its great customer service when they install water heaters the next day and they reaffirm the same day. If there so legit, for a truly 10 day cooling off period, they should wait to install after that period. Apparently if they install and people want to cancel within the 10 days and the water heater is then removed it is &quot;the cost of doing business&quot; as per NHS, whatta load of crap that is.</p>
<p>We&#039;ll see what transpires with mediation between The Ministry of Consumer Services and NHS.I have definitely logged an e-complaint with the Ministry.</p>
<p>Yes&#8230;i&#039;ve read her articles and im hoping the information i&#039;ve read in her articles can help me out. I may take you&#039;re advice and contact her and see if she has some advice.</p>
<p>thanks </p>
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		By: Energy Review		</title>
		<link>https://www.keyframe5.com/door-to-door-water-heater-sale-is-back-in-the-news-again/#comment-10656</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Energy Review]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.keyframe5.com/door-to-door-water-heater-sale-is-back-in-the-news-again/#comment-10641&quot;&gt;Energy Review&lt;/a&gt;.

Did you filed a complaint to OEB about your gas and electricity contract with Just Energy? Lets all speak up about this. 
 
About the pipe being outdated, I believe this is correct, but it is not mandatory to replace the pipes or the hot water tank. The pipes is still safe, only new tanks need the new pipes. 
 
You might want to try emailing Ellen Roseman, she wrote the article in thestar.com  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thestar.com/business/article/701345--water-heaters-10-days-to-change-your-mind&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thestar.com/business/article/701345--w...&lt;/a&gt; 
 
She helped out a lot of people, maybe she can give you some advices. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.keyframe5.com/door-to-door-water-heater-sale-is-back-in-the-news-again/#comment-10641">Energy Review</a>.</p>
<p>Did you filed a complaint to OEB about your gas and electricity contract with Just Energy? Lets all speak up about this. </p>
<p>About the pipe being outdated, I believe this is correct, but it is not mandatory to replace the pipes or the hot water tank. The pipes is still safe, only new tanks need the new pipes. </p>
<p>You might want to try emailing Ellen Roseman, she wrote the article in thestar.com  <a href="http://www.thestar.com/business/article/701345--water-heaters-10-days-to-change-your-mind" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.thestar.com/business/article/701345--w" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.thestar.com/business/article/701345&#8211;w</a>&#8230; </p>
<p>She helped out a lot of people, maybe she can give you some advices. </p>
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		By: justburned		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justburned]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 19:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.keyframe5.com/door-to-door-water-heater-sale-is-back-in-the-news-again/#comment-10641&quot;&gt;Energy Review&lt;/a&gt;.

As a matter of fact i did just get word on my cancellation of gas and electricity with Just Energy. I stuck to my guns with the email i had sent them and they released me from the contract. I recently received the notice from Union Gas, my next bill should reflect the changes which should come in the next few weeks. Thanks for your answering of my questions. Its such a relief to be done with Just Energy. 
 
Regarding NHS, what about the reaffirmation period are they not to wait the 10 days and then make the call or is that only with gas and energy. The Toronto Star articles all talk of, NHS installing during this period can be seen as trying to deny my cooling off period. I maybe out of luck then. I asked him if they were affiliated with Just Energy and he said no. He said he&#039;s been inspecting water heaters in the area, and that they were offering a deal, 2 months free, free installation. He also created doubt by indicating i had outdated piping and they would install new TSSA approved piping. I was going on vacation the next week and i didnt get a chance to read all of the fine print and my waterheater was over 10 years old. I didnt realize i was locked in for the useful life of the asset. Nevertheless, i&#039;ve made a case with the Ministry and well see how things go. I tried to deal with NHS directly but would not let me out and offered me 2months free rent as customer service gesture. 
 
What pisses me off if they dont have the balls to put the 15 year lease terms on the front of the contract, high exit/cancellation fees, and that the contract gets transferred to new owner. They do mention however the 3.5% increase per year on the front page and that by signing the agreement, i acknowledge and received and will be bound by the conditions on the reverse side. Did you think the representative disclosed any of those conditions. Needless to say i may be fighting a losing battle. I&#039;ll have to wait and see. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.keyframe5.com/door-to-door-water-heater-sale-is-back-in-the-news-again/#comment-10641">Energy Review</a>.</p>
<p>As a matter of fact i did just get word on my cancellation of gas and electricity with Just Energy. I stuck to my guns with the email i had sent them and they released me from the contract. I recently received the notice from Union Gas, my next bill should reflect the changes which should come in the next few weeks. Thanks for your answering of my questions. Its such a relief to be done with Just Energy.</p>
<p>Regarding NHS, what about the reaffirmation period are they not to wait the 10 days and then make the call or is that only with gas and energy. The Toronto Star articles all talk of, NHS installing during this period can be seen as trying to deny my cooling off period. I maybe out of luck then. I asked him if they were affiliated with Just Energy and he said no. He said he&#039;s been inspecting water heaters in the area, and that they were offering a deal, 2 months free, free installation. He also created doubt by indicating i had outdated piping and they would install new TSSA approved piping. I was going on vacation the next week and i didnt get a chance to read all of the fine print and my waterheater was over 10 years old. I didnt realize i was locked in for the useful life of the asset. Nevertheless, i&#039;ve made a case with the Ministry and well see how things go. I tried to deal with NHS directly but would not let me out and offered me 2months free rent as customer service gesture.</p>
<p>What pisses me off if they dont have the balls to put the 15 year lease terms on the front of the contract, high exit/cancellation fees, and that the contract gets transferred to new owner. They do mention however the 3.5% increase per year on the front page and that by signing the agreement, i acknowledge and received and will be bound by the conditions on the reverse side. Did you think the representative disclosed any of those conditions. Needless to say i may be fighting a losing battle. I&#039;ll have to wait and see. </p>
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